Last summer, Ezra Klein had one of his favourite conversations with N.K. Jemisin, author of the Broken Earth Trilogy. I was inspired by her process and her realistic and ultimately optimistic view of the human spirit to challenge and rise above the evil that we are capable of as a species and as individuals.

In this conversation, N.K. Jemisin recommends stories from fellow groundbreaking sci-fi authors. The Hugo Award–winning author walks Ezra Klein through her process of world-building.